"Wake up, My sleeping children! I am calling you, I am calling you! I am calling you to wake up and come with Me, for you have slept long enough in darkness. Come with Me and learn of Me, and I will give you understanding and rest for your soul."
"Call to Me and I will answer you and tell you
great and unsearchable things you do not know."
- Jeremiah 33:3
Ramone
ReplyDeleteGood day!
One question:
What can you say the affirmation of the Adventist "Catholic Church" is the "Whore" of Revelation and almost all other Christian Churches, they are "children of the whore"?
(Revelation 17.1 and 5)
Health and peace!
Alberto.
No meu idioma = Português
ReplyDeleteRamone,
Bom dia!
Uma pergunta:
O Que você pode dizer da afirmação dos adventistas de a "Igreja Católica Apostólica Romana" ser a "PROSTITUTA" DO APOCALIPSE e quase todas as outras "Igrejas Cristãs", de serem "FILHAS DA PROSTITUTA" ?
(Revelation 17,1 e 5)
Saúde e paz!
Alberto.
Hi Alberto,
ReplyDeleteThe "whore" sits on top of the "beast". The beast "once was, now is not, and yet will come". When John saw this vision, the beast didn't exist yet. But it had existed before. This means it can't be the Catholic church, because the Catholic church did not exist before John. It is also not the Roman empire, because the Roman empire existed at that time.
The whole method of interpretation is flawed. Revelation is not a book of symbols to be deciphered. Instead we need to seek God's heart, and when we understand His heart we will begin to understand what Revelation means.
Bless you in Jesus' love!
Ramone
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Oi Alberto,
A "prostituta" se senta em cima da "besta". A besta "era uma vez, agora não é, e ainda virão". Quando João viu esta visão, a besta não existia ainda. Mas tinha existido antes. Isso significa que ele não pode ser a Igreja Católica, porque a Igreja Católica não existia antes de John. Também não é o império romano, porque o império romano existiu naquela época.
Todo o método de interpretação é falha. Apocalipse não é um livro de símbolos a serem decifrados. Em vez disso, precisamos buscar o coração de Deus, e quando nós entendemos Seu coração começaremos a entender o que significa Revelação.
Abençôo em amor de Jesus!
Ramone
Understand! Thank you Ramone!
ReplyDeleteHealth and peace!
Alberto.
Ramone,
ReplyDeleteTo review - make sense?
Source of information:
http://questions4adventist.blogspot.com/
PILLARS OF "SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTISM"
While a small boy I remember sitting on the front row of a movie theater that the church had rented to hold evangelistic meetings in. (They didn’t want anyone to know it was SDA) Elder Gladden was the preacher. I liked his cute little daughter Sharon. We sat on the front row together and listened to her father. We may have been in the third grade at the time. I know my folks never missed a meeting. I liked that!
I’ll never forget the image of Daniel 2 with the head of gold, the breast and arms of silver, thighs of brass and legs of iron. Its feet and ten toes were of iron mixed with clay. The head of gold was Babylon. The breast and arms of silver was Medo-Persia. The thighs of brass were Greece, and the legs of iron were Rome. The ten toes were the ten nations Rome was divided into after its fall. He told us the two legs represented pagan and papal Rome.
A few years ago, I began thinking about the two legs, pagan and papal Rome. They may have merged, but they didn’t split. Maybe it was western Rome and eastern Rome that split into. One Pope ruled in Rome and one ruled in Constantinople. The Eastern leg out lasted the Western leg by nearly 700 years. Those nations today are all Muslim. Could they be the ten nations that are mentioned in Eze. 38 and 39?
You can read what Uriah Smith wrote "The Prophecies of Daniel and Revelation" by Uriah Smith; left click on; http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/clt4/drrev9.htm
All of these kingdoms will still be around when Christ comes the second time. All have come against Israel in the past and will again in the last days. All will be destroyed at Christ coming. Today they are Iraq, (Babylon) Iran, (Persia) Western Rome, (Catholic Italy) and (The old Roman empires of the eastern leg), Greece/Turkey/Egypt/Assyrian and all the rest of the Muslim nations.
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ReplyDeleteDaniel 2:44. And in the days of these kings (Eze.38,39) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45. Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
They are the seven mountains of Revelation 17:7-14.
7. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9. And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
1. Egypt, 2. Assyrian, 3. Babylon, 4. Persia, 5. Greece, had fallen by John's time. Rome is during John's vision and is later divided into two legs 6. Western Rome Catholic's, 7. Eastern Greek Orthodox, overtaken by the Muslims that were defeated in 1099 AD (deadly wound) 8. Today's Muslim world (deadly wound being healed).
11. And the beast that was, (Eastern Rome Muslims from 636-1099) and is not, even he is the eighth, (Today's Muslims) and is of the seventh, and goeth into perdition.
The beast that was Greek Orthodox Turkey was defeated by Islam, but becomes the 8th kingdom of the Muslims in the end times when they become the ten kings of Eze. 38,39.
12. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. At the Gog and Magog battle.
13. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. Anti-christ
14. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
AS WALID SHOEBAT SAYS, "ALL THE NATIONS THAT ARE MENTIONED BY NAME THAT ARE CASED INTO THE PIT, IN THE END TIMES, ARE MUSLIN TODAY". Watch; Walid Shoebat under question 24.
Listen to Brigitte Gabriel at http://www.realradioactive.org/special_guest/GSX391.mp3
I would like your opinion about this interpretation.
Cordialmente,
Alberto.
Hi again Alberto,
ReplyDeleteWow, brother! I don't think I have enough time to read and answer adequately. However, I will say this: The heart of prophecy is about Jesus Christ. It's not about Israel or Muslims or nations. It's about Jesus. There is more about this is on this site: "Weeping Jeremiahs"
Bless you in Jesus' love!
Ramone
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Oi outra vez Alberto,
Wow, irmão! Eu não acho que tenho tempo suficiente para ler e responder adequadamente. No entanto, vou dizer isto: O coração da profecia é sobre Jesus Cristo. Não se trata de Israel ou muçulmanos ou nações. É sobre Jesus. Há mais sobre isso é neste site: "Weeping Jeremiahs"
Abençôo em amor de Jesus!
Ramone
Thank you Ramone!
ReplyDeleteI went to the site: "Weeping Jeremiahs"
I made a comment there.
Saúde e paz!
Alberto.